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The Antithesis Hour with Phil Naessens and Michael J Loomis-04.14.2011

by Michael J Loomis on April 17, 2011

The Antithesis Hour with Phil Naessens and Michael J Loomis. Tonight we discussed Rob Bell’s new book, “Love Wins.” We also followed a few rabbit trails…8-)

April 14, 2011

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Lenny Pannucci April 18, 2011 at 6:02 pm

After listening to this week’s podcast, I have noticed that Phil Naessens often times likes to use the phrase “false teacher”. I’m curious to know how Phil feels about Jesus’ prediction to return in the first century, specifically; Matthew 26:64 is Jesus a false teacher?
And if Jesus said to watch out for those that claimed the “time was near” before the signs, are Paul, James and Peter who preached that the time was near, (Ro. 13:12, Ja. 5:8, 1 Pet. 4:7) are they classified false teachers also since Phil is still waiting for the signs?
I’m not trying to be rude or offensive but Phil arrogantly acts as though Preterism is a ridiculous position to take while he has yet to give any biblical answers to your questions or at least to your audience’s satisfaction.
Thanks!
Resting in His Grace,
Lenny Pannucci

Michael J Loomis April 19, 2011 at 9:39 pm

Hi Lenny, Here is the only one I’m familiar with.

http://bibleprophecyfulfilled.com/preteristbible.html

Here is the contact info for the gentleman that is heading it up.

Michael E. Day
mday20@cox.net

Phil Naessens April 20, 2011 at 2:53 am

Hi Lenny,

Thanks for the feedback!

Was Jesus a false teacher? That reminds me of the line Ed Hassertt used in House Divided. IOW if Jesus didn’t return then Jesus lied…..nice try.

I preach the same things that Peter, Paul and James did so of course I don’t see them as false teachers. They taught a future return of Christ as well.

Your opinion that I’m arrogant for labeling Rob Bell a false teacher based on his re-defining Christianity is interesting. I’m sure that will help to boost my street cred.

I’ll be extremely busy the next few days preaching so go ahead and have the last word!

Thanks again for the feedback!

Phil

Lenny Pannucci April 20, 2011 at 9:40 pm

Phil, I’m really not interested in arguing, I was just looking for answers. Not giving answers is something you claim Rob Bell does. And please don’t assume that I have read any of Rob’s books, I haven’t and the same for Ed Hassertt’s book.

Let me make my point here. The first question was: “I’m curious to know how Phil feels about Jesus’ prediction to return in the first century, specifically; Matthew 26:64 is Jesus a false teacher?” Your answer was: “That reminds me of the line Ed Hassertt used in House Divided. IOW if Jesus didn’t return then Jesus lied…..nice try.” If this is your answer, I don’t get it, it sounds arrogant.

Then I asked: “And if Jesus said to watch out for those that claimed the “time was near” before the signs, are Paul, James and Peter who preached that the time was near, (Ro. 13:12, Ja. 5:8, 1 Pet. 4:7) are they classified false teachers also since Phil is still waiting for the signs?” You said: “I preach the same things that Peter, Paul and James did so of course I don’t see them as false teachers. They taught a future return of Christ as well.” But they said the time was near, not future.

You see, these are not biblical answers. Ok, maybe you’re not arrogant, but that’s how I perceive your answers.

One last word, it wasn’t when you said that Rob Bell was a false teacher that bothered me. It was when you said; Rob doesn’t give answers and then you said to Michael: “which reminds me of your paradigm because no matter how many questions we ask, you all don’t have any answers, just like Rob Bell.”

I know you’re very busy, so no need to post or reply. I still appreciate the show, thanks.
In His Love,
Lenny

Phil Naessens April 21, 2011 at 2:47 am

Hi Lenny,

Who’s arguing?

Your first question reminded me of Ed and the False Dilemma Fallacy he employed in House Divided. Either or without the third possibility being that maybe, just maybe, FP is wrong to conclude a first century second coming based on what you consider a “prediction” by Christ.

Do you still beat your wife Lenny?

You then presented another False Dilemma when you asked me another loaded question about Peter, Paul and James that I answered…..and for the record “time was near” is in the future tense. Those men also preached a LOT more about being ready for the day that was near which begs a question I personally have never heard a biblical answer to; If the Second Coming was in AD70 then what do we need to be prepared for?

If you can answer that then you would be the first.

Then you claimed I have yet to give biblical answers to the questions or at least not to the satisfaction of the listening audience which actually is ridiculous considering neither you nor I have the foggiest idea who these listeners are or what the entire listening audience thinks about my answers….

You finished with another Fallacy known as the Ad Hominem Fallacy by concluding that I sounded arrogant but not to be outdone you draw a conclusion that I believe FP is “ridiculous”. When did I ever say FP was “ridiculous”? Just for the record I believe FP to be “heresy” based on the essential doctrines that have been re-defined by FP such as the resurrection of the dead and the atonement, just to name two.

Over the course of this program I have given plenty of biblical answers….just because you don’t agree with the answers doesn’t mean I haven’t.

Thanks,

Phil

mike April 25, 2011 at 5:53 pm

Hey Mike, great show! It does seem to be taking a down turn with Phil’s latest comments to one of your listeners. I guess it is OK as we all still sin occasionally. Correct me if I am wrong but, isn’t your audience the listeners, and would Lenny who commented be one of those? Please excuse my ignorance but, shhhh…I didn’t see any biblical response from Phil to Lennys’ questions. My heart goes out to Lenny for reaching out to Phil only to get asked if he beats his wife. With all the comedians out of work, why does Phil need to tell jokes? Especially when it comes to God’s word, something Phil claims to take serious. If he acts this way in public, one could only guess what he does when he is not being watched. Mike, please don’t let Phil reply to my comment, as I don’t want to argue as he didn’t with lenny. I know he didn’t because he told us so. If he sees this tell him I don’t beat my wife so don’t ask. He could not know any of that of his other listeners either so, I assume we have to believe he mistook us for his earthly father. You see how this sounds Mike? This is not what people searching God’s word do. I never heard the Apostles talk like that. Phil if I offended you, please forgive me if you can. Let’s move in a positive direction for you, Mike, and the audience. Especially now that we know who they are. No one wants to respond if they are going to get an ear full of bad jokes. Stick to what you know Phil. And please when ever possible, give us scripture to back up what you say. Take a brake and rest in the grace that Christ provides by his finished work. Mike, part of the audience.

Michael J Loomis April 25, 2011 at 6:36 pm

Thanks for your thoughts Mike and Lenny

Phil and I are good friends and have a lot of fun doing the show together. And we occasionally take jabs at one another in good fun.

Not that I need to answer for Phil…But one of the reasons I like him is that he’s a little rough around the edges. If you were to get to know him you would find that he’s very direct. Not always tactful as some would define it…But refreshing to me.

Teaser: After we finish up our discussion on Rob Bell we will be doing a little more exegesis. Maybe a book study of Revelation or Hebrews with commentary from our respective positions.

Michael

mike April 27, 2011 at 6:38 pm

Thanks Mike! You have a refined mannerism in your email. It sets a Pearson at ease, almost were you can feel a brotherly love. If anyone is rough around the edges it is I. Always have been. My new life in Christ has refined me some but, I will always Carry some of it with me until I shed my flesh. Unfortunately! I look forward to you and Phil taking your show to the exegesis format as you fore-mentioned. In Christ, Mike !

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