The Antithesis Hour with Phil Naessens-10.20.2010

by Michael J Loomis on October 21, 2010

The Antithesis Hour with Phil Naessens and Michael J Loomis. Tonight we entertained a little friendly debate on the fulfillment of Bible prophecy. – – – –

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MoGrace2u October 22, 2010 at 9:26 am

Love is the fulfillment of the law. Which means that if the love of God is dwelling in our hearts then the goal of the law has reached its perfection so that our conscience works correctly. It is not law that tells we are not acting according to love, but the conviction of the Spirit which works upon the conscience.

And since no one can come to the Father except by Christ, that also means that we can only come before the throne to find mercy in our time of need by coming in His name, according to His will. So knowing the character of the God we serve and that His purpose for us is to make us in the image of His Son, that is also the desire of our heart which He has given us. We want to be like Jesus.

The analogy of law as a schoolmaster was to bring us to Christ. Once we have come into our sonship, we can now approach the King in the same relationship that the Son has with the Father. The fear a son has towards his father is reverence because he knows his father loves him. When he errs thru ignorance the correction he receives is that given by a loving father. And it is a correction he willingly seeks to receive because love does not fear justice nor judgment.

Just like little Madeline can walk into the room where her father is and know he will give her his attention…no matter what.


May Lyn October 22, 2010 at 5:55 pm

Beautifully put Robin : )

Roderick October 22, 2010 at 8:22 pm

Actually, regarding Loomis’ daughter and the podcast. I have found it sad that(((EDITED: INAPPROPRIATE CONTENT)))instead Loomis squanders it away talking to narcissistic windbags like Naessens (count how many times he uses the words, “I”, “me”, “my”)

Anyhow, I pray that Loomis will be freed from this heresy so he can(((EDITED: INAPPROPRIATE CONTENT)))

MoGrace2u October 22, 2010 at 8:49 pm

So Rod, do you have any input as to why we still need Christ? Because it seems as though you don’t think you do as you sit in the judgment seat over the brethren, as if you have none of your own fingers pointing back at you! Of course we ought to know you see and know all from your self appointed throne…did you have to shoo Jesus out of the way first or what?


Roderick October 23, 2010 at 12:35 pm

So Robin, you can make comments but others can’t without being called a Jesus-rejecter by you? You’ll be voting for Obama in 2012 I take it while you listen to NPR where people aren’t allowed to challenge anything. I challenge the hyperpreterist premise all the time and you don’t like it — I get it, you hate my guts. I understand Robin, but that doesn’t change the fact that Loomis(((EDITED: INAPPROPRIATE CONTENT)))like Naessens and Frost. Again, just listen how many times these men say, “I…me…my…” in their discussions. Despite the heresy,(((EDITED: INAPPROPRIATE CONTENT)))That is a valid point.

admin October 23, 2010 at 12:57 pm

You know Roderick…I was going to let this one go. But unfortunately you seem to be unable to think outside the vendetta driven box you are in.

You have passed your judgment without considering all of the data.

If I weren’t working from home I would have to be working outside of the home while Madeleine would be spending all day in a public school and day care while my wife and I work. Would that be a better option to you rather than the path I’m currently traveling?

Let’s consider a few more pieces of data that you haven’t.

1. You only hear my daughter in the studio with me while I actually have the microphone turned on.

2. Madeleine spends much more time in the studio than you’re aware of.

3. I home school Madeleine which doesn’t only include book learning but also field trips and other activities outside of the home.

4. How do you know what I do with Madeleine aside from the time actually spent on air with the microphone turned on?

So…Why don’t you ask me about these things before you make these baseless accusations?

Regardless of what you think based on flawed data, Madeleine gets to spend 24 hours a day with either or both of her parents.

I suppose you think it would be better for Madeleine to spend a large part of her day in the care of others.

Now…Either stop making baseless claims or you will not be welcome to post here.


Roderick October 23, 2010 at 2:37 pm

Mike, I never implied any of those OTHER things you rattle off — all I know is that(((EDITED: INAPPROPRIATE CONTENT)))you need to do more research.

admin October 23, 2010 at 3:09 pm

I never said that public school was the only alternative. However you seem to glean that from what I wrote. However considering the cost of living in Southern California along with the cost of private education make that an option outside of our options.

Maybe if you listened to more of the broadcasts you would actually hear that she doesn’t get shooshed as much as you are implying. Matter of fact she participates in many of them. Then again…Maybe you don’t have ears to hear.

We choose to keep one parent home. We choose to do whatever it takes to provide Madeleine with a home schooled education.

Clearly you have no more scriptural an argument against what I am doing than you have against a fulfilled view of eschatology.

Feel free to continue posting on this site. However your personal attacks will no longer be tolerated.

You’ve been warned.

Roderick October 23, 2010 at 3:33 pm

I’ve seen NO PERSONAL ATTACKS, except for you and Robin. Robin insinuates I’m a Jesus-rejecter and you claim I have “no ears to hear” as if I’m a Gospel rejecter. I simply made an observation that while you spend time(((EDITED: INAPPROPRIATE CONTENT)))But, hey if you want to play the high-and-mighty and threaten to ban me from making comments, whatever floats your boat.

May Lyn October 25, 2010 at 8:18 pm

Good conversation between you two, important issues.
Look forward to more of the debate !!

MoGrace2u October 27, 2010 at 10:35 am

Rod, I don’t hate your guts. I do however hate how you go around as if it is your personal calling from God to lambast the saints who don’t agree with you. I also hate your specious arguments whereby you have a new definition for what it means to be a Christian that is without any biblical basis. Holding fast to traditions is not what makes anybody a Christian. Nor is it any tradition that determines the infallible truth. But if you are going to hold to a tradition by which you define yourself favorably, why is your model the Inquistion?


admin October 27, 2010 at 10:44 am

Hi Robin…I’m sorry…But Roderick is not allowed to post here anymore. He crossed a line I’m not willing to entertain. I hope you understand.


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